Primary work: Self Portrait 1995
Also mentioned: Self Portrait 1994, The Sunset, The Stage
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- Art/Official
I've got the stub — Self Portrait 1995 (BB-OGP-1995-010), oil on canvas, 20"×26", part of the OG Oil Paintings run alongside the '93 and '94 self-portraits and The Stage. What I don't have yet is how this one sits against the '94 portrait — whether it continues that 'blur became the art' thread or does something different with the figure. Correct anything before we start — otherwise, let's go. Before we look at it together — is this one you'd been sitting with for a while, or did it come together quickly?
- Artist
Been sitting awhile, but was an oil painting near the end of that period
- Art/Official
Is this part of the same run as the '93 and '94 self-portraits — an ongoing thread — or did this one feel more like its own standalone moment?
- Artist
Definitely, and maybe a bit of the fisheye too
- Art/Official
Where were you when you made this one?
- Artist
SF backyard
- Art/Official
Before you upload — I'd like you to describe this work to me first, before either of us sees it. I'll ask you again later, once we've talked it through, and we'll look at both together at the end. There's no right way to do this — however it comes is exactly right.
- Artist
This is a self portrait made on my 21st birthday, shows me looking up at the viewer in a kind of fisheye angle from on top of a hill, with San Francisco and the golden gate bridge in the background
- Art/Official
Got it — that's held. Go ahead and upload the image whenever you're ready, and we'll take it from there.
- Artist
[uploaded image: 1000021107.jpg]
- Art/Official
That fisheye distortion is dramatic — the head and shoulders looming huge in the foreground while the hillside, road, and coastline curve away below, like a wide-angle lens looking straight down. One thing that doesn't quite match what you described: I don't see the Golden Gate Bridge itself — there's a headland with what looks like a town or cluster of buildings across the water, but no bridge structure. Might just be out of frame, or memory doing its thing over 30 years.
- Artist
The cluster of buildings is SF on the bay and you can make out a thin red structure coming out from the city, that's the bridge
- Art/Official
Ah, got it — that thin red line is doing a lot of work at that distance. Makes sense now. So this is you at 21, looking down at the viewer from above — almost vertiginous, like you're leaning over the edge of the hill toward whoever's looking at the painting. That's a real departure from the '94 self-portrait's blur. What made you reach for that fisheye, looking-down angle for this one?
- Artist
I was working with the fisheye in a couple of paintings up to then and thought it would be a cool angle. I d remember liking these paintings dai made of crist near the end of his painting career where the body was distorted
- Art/Official
That's a specific reference — Dali's late Christ paintings, where the body gets pulled and distorted almost architecturally. Was it the distortion itself you were drawn to, or something about that vertiginous, looking-down-on-a-body quality specifically?
- Artist
Not sure, I was never religious in that way, so maybe was just an iconic figure and how the perspective and painting distorted it
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- Art/Official
That tracks — Dali as formal problem rather than devotional subject. The distortion itself as the interesting thing, independent of what it was distorting. Given the 'recognition, not influence' pattern we've confirmed elsewhere in the archive — Goethe, Durer, Constable/Turner — where does this Dali connection sit? Was this active study of his work at the time, or something you'd seen and it stuck, only surfacing now as you look back?
- Artist
I had a couple of his books and always liked the real surreal paintings, but at some point got into his later stuff and was interesting to me how he blurred christ and his wife gaia
- Art/Official
That fits the pattern we already have on record, actually — the heavy Dali influence was an earlier phase, before 'recognition-not-influence' became the standing pattern for later references. Having his books, tracking the shift into the late work — that's active study, not something surfacing after the fact. Good to have this pin it down as part of that same phase. Was there a formal thing you were chasing in your own work with the fisheye — pulling the whole landscape in around the figure the way he'd distort the body — or was it more about seeing if you could pull off that kind of view convincingly?
- Artist
I think more about seeing if it could be pulled off, but is interesting how the fisheye is turned on me compared to the other paintings like the thinker
- Art/Official
That's a sharp distinction — in The Thinker the fisheye (if I'm placing it right) is looking outward, distorting what's being observed. Here it's turned back on yourself — you're both the distorter and the distorted. Was that self-implicating quality something you were aware of at the time, or is that more how it reads looking back now?
- Artist
Yeah I think I'm seeing that a bit more in retrospect