Primary work: Prophecy
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- Artist
this is an older artwork from the Art Collision series from 2003, this was the first one in the series and was called Prophecy, it is 36" x 36" and is a digital print and acrylic paint on canvas
- Art/Official
Good start — 2003 puts this early, before the transfer technique was formalized.
- Art/Official
Is this part of something ongoing, or does it feel more like a standalone moment — the first of a series that kept going, or more of a one-off that started something?
- Artist
was a series for a traveling art group that I helped found in Brooklyn, there where 8 of these digial collage and paint on canvas, and later on 2 digital collage works, but that was it.
- Art/Official
Good — a defined, closed body of work then. Ten pieces total, eight with paint and two purely digital. Where were you when you made this one?
- Artist
I was in Fort Greene brooklyn painting at home
- Art/Official
Fort Greene, 2003 — that's a specific place and moment. Before you upload — describe this work to me first, before either of us sees it. I'll ask you again later, once we've talked it through, and we'll look at both together at the end. There's no right way to do this — however it comes is exactly right.
- Artist
The work is a photo collage of a tree growing out of the ground, but the city is the tree isself, then there are pairs of project buildings to the left of it. I was thinking of the hopi prophecy when making, where a cave painting had two figures next to each other in a row and one gets bigger, then disapears, thats where the tree grows
- Art/Official
That's a strong image — the city as organism, rooted and growing. Go ahead and upload when you're ready.
- Artist
I have uploaded the primary artwork image.
- Art/Official
That's a striking image. The city mass is inverted — rooted into the ground through what reads simultaneously as a tree trunk and a narrowing stem, the Empire State Building pointing upward at the top. The painted housing project pairs march across the lower left, getting progressively smaller toward the right, with a bare tree standing just before the city-trunk takes over. The sky and grass are painted; the city itself is photographic collage.
- Art/Official
Found a legacy record for this work. A couple of things to cross-check: - **Year**: the legacy record has 2002, you said 2003 — which is right? - **Dimensions**: the legacy has 36 × 36 but lists the unit as **cm**, not inches. That would make it a very small work. Is it definitely 36 × 36 **inches**?
- Artist
yes lets say 2002 and it is in inches
- Art/Official
Good — 2002 confirmed, inches confirmed.
- Art/Official
The Hopi prophecy — the cave painting with two figures, one growing and then disappearing — that's a specific and unusual source for a work about a city. What drew you to that particular image at that moment, in 2002 in Fort Greene?
- Artist
I came to new york on the global peace walk 2000, where I joined friends of mine that walked from San francisco to New York, so we were around a lot of native american chiefs and did sweat ceremonies one were told stories
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- Art/Official
That's a vivid origin — arriving in New York through that journey, carrying those stories with you. So the Hopi prophecy wasn't something you found in a book, it was told to you directly in ceremony.
- Art/Official
The city-as-tree is a powerful translation of that — the urban form as something that grows and eventually vanishes. Looking at the image, the housing project pairs on the left feel very deliberate — did you see them as the two figures from the prophecy, or as something else?
- Artist
I think it was worked out in the painting process, there was the tops of two building in the print and then I painted the others
- Art/Official
So the composition found itself — the source photograph already had two towers, and painting extended that rhythm outward. The prophecy wasn't illustrated so much as discovered already present in the material.
- Art/Official
The city inverted as a tree root — growing downward into the earth — is a striking formal choice. Was that inversion in the source photograph, or did you construct it?
- Artist
I think it was in the main photograph, and wasn't sure what I would paint, so there were there without knowing if they would get painted over or not and then the idea came in finishing it. would also say that for the technique, was my first experiment painting on canvas, and maybe I didn't protect the digital print as a could have, so painted everything dry brush
- Art/Official
That uncertainty — whether to paint over or leave — and then the idea arriving late in the process. And the dry brush as a practical response to an unprotected surface, not a stylistic choice from the start.
- Art/Official
The legacy record lists the size as "md" on the site grid — but at 36 × 36 inches that's a substantial square canvas. How do you want this to read on the site — medium, large, or something else?
- Artist
should be lg
- Art/Official
lg it is. This was the first work in the Art Collision series — did it set the template for the others, or did the series move somewhere different after this one?
- Artist
the series was 4 unique digital collages of new york, then I repeated the 4 with different painting to make the 8 paintings
- Art/Official
So the series had a built-in duality — each composition existed twice, the second pass a different painterly interpretation of the same collage. Prophecy was the first of the four base compositions. What was the Art Collision group itself — what were you all trying to do with the traveling shows?
- Artist
it first started with 5 of us that lived on the same block and wanted to show artwork, so we got together and then had shows in new york, austin, baltimore, and then Amsterdam, Leiden, and rotterdam in holland. It was more about us just making shows for ourself, and not really a specific theme, the artwork was all different, was more about just doing it ourselfs
- Art/Official
DIY before DIY was a brand — five people on the same block making it happen across two continents. That context matters for the work; it wasn't made for a gallery brief, it was made to fill a show you built yourself. How does this one sit with you now looking back — did it land the way you intended at the time, or does it read differently from here?
- Artist
Its quite intereseting, and definitly lead to my other series directly. a bit more sureal than the later work, but also carries on from my original oil paintings that were quite surreal
- Art/Official
That's a clear through-line — the surrealism of the early oils carrying forward into this, and then the technique evolving toward the transfer paintings while the surreal quality quieted down. This sits right at that hinge point.
- Art/Official
The oil paintings — were they already working with cities and urban material, or was that something the collage process brought in?
- Artist
I always had a bit of a landscape cityscape thing, but the photograph brought it more into view. also at this time I think I got my first digital camera, which probably was like 2mb or something, there wernt great then, but loved that I could just take as much pictures as I wanted too, and that lead to making these works, I also was working at a shp in manhattan that had a large printer, so used that to make the prints
- Art/Official
That's a lovely confluence — the freedom of cheap digital shooting meeting access to a large-format printer at work. The technology made the series possible as much as the ideas did.
- Art/Official
The surrealism here — city as tree, rooted into the earth — feels closer to Magritte or early Ernst than anything from the contemporary art world. Were there painters in your head at this point, or was it more driven by the Hopi image and the material you had?
- Artist
not really sure, but was deffinitly looking at all the bilboards in new york while going around and making my photos. I think I also got into the candian photographer jeff wall at the time
- Art/Official
Jeff Wall makes sense here — the large lightbox prints, the way he staged urban scenes to look found, the scale that commands attention. And billboards as a visual diet while shooting — that's a different kind of collage education, reading the city as assembled image.
- Art/Official
The shows went to Amsterdam and Holland — was this work already pointing you toward eventually moving there, or did that connection come later?
- Artist
I already spent 2 years in holland and went to the Utrecht School voor de Kunsten for 1 year. so had connections still to make the exibits
- Art/Official
So the Holland shows were through existing connections from your time at the Utrecht school — this was already a transatlantic network before the work was even made. Where does this work live now — do you still have it, or did it sell or move on at some point?
- Artist
they are at my parents house in san francisco, never sold the large work, but did sell smaller prints, cant remember how many though
- Art/Official
Got it — held in San Francisco, unsold as an original.
- Art/Official
The work was made in Fort Greene — was that your studio or just your apartment?
- Artist
just the appartment
- Art/Official
Home studio then — floor space, a big print, and dry brush. Looking at the work now — at the time, was there anything you were consciously moving away from? Something that felt overdone or already resolved that you didn't want this to be?
- Artist
not sure, maybe the experience of the art school was in my mind. was interesting, but I left after a year, was hard to be overseas, but was a good experience. but being in new york was just exciting and wanted to make something there. very different energy than art school in NL. and then with the digital photography it felt wide open
- Art/Official
That contrast is clear — the structured institutional environment in Utrecht versus arriving in New York with a cheap digital camera and unlimited shots, making work for your own shows on your own terms. The openness of that moment is visible in the work.
- Art/Official
You described it at the start as a tree growing out of the ground where the city is the tree itself, with pairs of project buildings to the left — and the Hopi prophecy underneath it all. Now that we've talked it through, does it still feel like that's what it is, or has something shifted?
- Artist
is interesting to look at a talk about again, I definitly feel that its a starting point for a lot of my future series, but wonder if there is something there to bring me back to the surreal someday
- Art/Official
That's a good place to leave it — a starting point that might also be a direction still open. The surreal hasn't closed, just gone quiet for a while.
- Art/Official
That's everything I need. Let me put the confirmation draft together.
- Art/Official
All staged. Open **Wrap up / confirm** in the sidebar — you'll see the staged fields, the description drafts, and the formal contribution assessment. Edit anything that doesn't sound right, then press **Commit** to write it to the Artworks record.