Primary work: SFAI
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- Artist
This an older work, after the initial start with painting in oil on canvas. I started to make a lot of watercolor paintings, usually starting from a sketch and then filled in with watercolor. this painting is called SFAI, and depicts the view from the roof at the San Francisco Art Institute in 1996. I think I switch to watercolor to be more on the move, and did alot of these on my first travels to europe and over the years
- Art/Official
Good to have that context — a pivotal period, right before the transfer work began.
- Art/Official
Is this part of something ongoing, or does it feel more like a standalone moment?
- Artist
kind of slowed down for the last years, but I really enjoyed making them and looking at them I would like to make more.
- Art/Official
That comes through — there's something about watercolour that suits a certain kind of looking. Where were you when you made this one?
- Artist
was done on the roof of the SFAI, so where the scene is
- Art/Official
Made on the spot, looking at the same view you were painting. Before you upload — describe this work to me first, before either of us sees it. I'll ask you again later, once we've talked it through, and we'll look at both together at the end. There's no right way to do this — however it comes is exactly right.
- Artist
this is a watecolor painting of the view from the San francisco Art Institute. the view overlooks the san francisco bay and alcatraz, there is an easel on the left of the image
- Art/Official
Got it. Go ahead and upload whenever you're ready.
- Artist
I have uploaded the primary artwork image.
- Art/Official
No legacy record for this one — it wasn't on the old site. The image is striking. The easel in the foreground is doing a lot of work — it puts you inside the act of painting while you're looking at the painting. Alcatraz sits right in the middle distance, and that bank of fog/cloud behind it has an almost theatrical weight. The rooftop infrastructure — the wall, the railing, the concrete — is rendered with the same care as the bay itself. Let me get the basics down. The title is SFAI, year 1996 — is that when it was made, or when the scene is from?
- Artist
was made on the spot, so 1996
- Art/Official
Good — made on the roof, in the moment. What's the medium — watercolour on paper?
- Artist
watercolor, pencil on paper - would sketch out the scene with pencil before adding the paint
- Art/Official
The pencil sketch underneath — is it visible in the finished work, or does the watercolour mostly cover it?
- Artist
its visible
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- Art/Official
That's an interesting quality — the structure showing through. The easel in the foreground makes that even more pointed: you can see the armature of the thing you're looking at. Do you know the dimensions of this one?
- Artist
half a letter size paper
- Art/Official
So roughly 14 × 21.5 cm (or 5.5 × 8.5 in) — landscape or portrait orientation?
- Artist
landscape
- Art/Official
At 21.5 × 14 cm this would typically sit as a small (sm) on the site grid. Does that feel right, or would you want it to read larger?
- Artist
yeah it is small
- Art/Official
The easel in the foreground — was that already there on the roof, or did you place it deliberately in the composition?
- Artist
it was there, but I think that inspired me, I would go up there a bunch, but not always paint
- Art/Official
So the easel was the trigger — it turned a familiar rooftop into a painting. What was it about that particular day that made you pick up the pencil?
- Artist
cant rememeber, must have been nice out, it is san francisco
- Art/Official
Ha — fair enough, you take the windows when they come. Looking at the image, the colour palette is quite muted — the bay and sky are close in tone, and even Alcatraz is almost absorbed into the grey-blue. Was that the weather, or a deliberate restraint with the paint?
- Artist
I think that was just my style for these pencil scene artworks
- Art/Official
Makes sense — the pencil doing the structural work, the watercolour staying quiet behind it.
- Art/Official
You mentioned you switched to watercolour to be more on the move. Was SFAI still during your time at art school, or were you already past that?
- Artist
this was before any art school, I looked into going to that school, but was a hard call considering how much it cost. I think I was looking to get a scholorship at some point, but didn't work out and I started going to europe and art school was significantly cheaper there.
- Art/Official
So this was made at a school you were considering attending — looking at the view from a place you almost ended up. That's a loaded vantage point.
- Art/Official
Did you know people there at the time — was that how you got roof access?
- Artist
You could just walk up the back stairs. I probably wasn't suppose to be there, but if I was painting, nobody was gonna say anything
- Art/Official
That tracks — showing up with a sketchbook is its own kind of permission. The easel being there, the uninvited access, painting the view of a school you couldn't afford to attend — did any of that register consciously at the time, or is that reading coming more from now?
- Artist
reading it a bit more now
- Art/Official
That's usually when the real material is. What were you most drawn to about SFAI specifically — was it the school's reputation, the location, the building itself?
- Artist
the view was great, and the building is quite unique, but it was the definitive fine art school in San francisco. I would try to hang around, but always felt a bit intimidaded and an outsider.
- Art/Official
That "informed outsider" feeling shows up pretty consistently across your whole practice — and here it's almost literal. You're on the roof, you're not supposed to be there, you're painting the view.
- Art/Official
The easel in the composition — someone else's setup, pointing at the same view you're painting — does it feel like a stand-in for that dynamic? Like you're painting the painter who belongs there?
- Artist
almost, maybe painting the painter that's not there, the one that I'm waiting for, but will never show up, because they don't exist. I had all these self taught romatic ideas at that point, and was an outsider like that.
- Art/Official
That's a strong image — the absent painter, the empty easel, the romantic idea of what an artist is supposed to be. And you're already doing it, just not from the inside.
- Art/Official
Looking at it now, with everything that came after — the Rietveld, the transfer paintings, all of it — does it feel like it landed the way it needed to, or like something unresolved?
- Artist
it lands in more ways than I thought of at the moment. also interesting that alcatraz is in the middle of the picture. that is how it is in the bay and it is right there. a big tourist attraction, but also strange that it was a prison
- Art/Official
Alcatraz as the centrepiece — the place you can see clearly but can't freely access, right in the middle of the view from a school you couldn't get into. That's a lot of enclosure sitting in one small painting.
- Art/Official
At that point — 1996, self-taught, on the roof — were you looking at any other painters? Anyone whose work was in the room when you were making these watercolours?
- Artist
I think maybe at this point I was even looking a bit more at renisance painters, like titian, tepenello, expesially the ones wiht a draftsman style, also albrect durer and rembrant drawings
- Art/Official
That lineage makes sense for this work — the pencil as the primary structural act, watercolour as tone and atmosphere rather than the main event. Dürer especially, where the drawing *is* the work and colour is almost secondary.
- Art/Official
This is the earliest work in the archive by quite a stretch — does it feel like the beginning of something, looking back, or more like a separate chapter that the later work grew away from?
- Artist
almost a seperate chapter, but one I would like to continue
- Art/Official
A thread left open rather than closed.
- Art/Official
When you were making these watercolours — the on-location, sketch-first ones — was there anything you were actively moving away from? Something about the oil paintings that felt wrong for what you were trying to do?
- Artist
was probably moving away from the surrealism I was doing in the oil paint
- Art/Official
The oils were imagined worlds; the watercolours put you in front of the actual one.
- Art/Official
You described this at the start as "a watercolor painting of the view from the San Francisco Art Institute — the view overlooks the San Francisco Bay and Alcatraz, there is an easel on the left of the image." After everything we've talked about — the absent painter, the outsider position, Alcatraz sitting there in the middle — does that description still feel like the whole picture?
- Artist
I would call it now a painting of a prison from an Art School's roof, waiting for an artist that will never show up
- Art/Official
That's the title of the description right there.
- Art/Official
Where does this one live now — still with you?
- Artist
at the parents house in San Francisco
- Art/Official
Got it.
- Art/Official
Is it available, or not for sale?
- Artist
not for sale
- Art/Official
Good. I have everything I need — let me put the confirmation draft together.
- Art/Official
Done. Open **Wrap up / confirm** in the sidebar — you'll find all the staged fields and the drafted descriptions there to review and edit before you commit. The encounter note you landed on at the end ("a painting of a prison from an Art School's roof, waiting for an artist that will never show up") is in there too — worth considering whether any of that language belongs in the short description.
- Artist
dont forget the tags
- Art/Official
Right — let me pull those together from the image and session.
- Art/Official
All staged. Have a look through them in the **Wrap up / confirm** panel — adjust anything that feels off, then commit when you're ready.