Primary work: Mokum Straat
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- Artist
this is an older work, a small drawing from my travels around europe. not part of a specific series, but just part of drawings in general
- Art/Official
A travel drawing — makes sense as its own thing. Where were you when you made this one?
- Artist
Its about amsterdam so I think when I was first out there around 1998
- Art/Official
Good — so this one predates the Rietveld years by a few years. Where were you physically sitting when you drew it — Amsterdam itself, or somewhere else?
- Artist
predates even the art school in utrecht, I would save up money and travel aroudn europe as far as I could go. so I must have been in amsterdam for this one, probably sitting on one of the benches on the canal there, that I always loved to chill on
- Art/Official
Sitting on a canal bench in Amsterdam, late 90s, before any of the formal training — that's a clear moment. Before you upload — describe this work to me first, before either of us sees it. I'll ask you again later once we've talked it through, and we'll look at both together at the end. There's no right way to do this — however it comes is exactly right.
- Artist
this is a small drawing of a street scene in Amsterdam, I called it Mokum Straat, a little bit funky with some trippy characters and some of the one line work I would do around then
- Art/Official
*Mokum Straat* — good title. Go ahead and upload when you're ready.
- Artist
I have uploaded the primary artwork image.
- Art/Official
No match in the legacy records — this one wasn't on the old site, which makes sense for a travel sketchbook piece from '98. The image is clear. I can see the canal perspective pulling back through the middle, the dense angular buildings on the right with that domed cap, and then the figures — the ones in the foreground are much looser, almost dissolving into pure line. There's a real shift in register between the architectural part and those bottom figures. What were you drawing with here — pen, pencil, both?
- Artist
this is with pen on paper and on a piece of paper from a small sketch book almost postcard size
- Art/Official
Tiny format for something that cramped so much of the city into it. The one-line figures you mentioned — was that a technique you were consciously developing at the time, or just how your hand moved when you were drawing fast?
- Artist
yeah, I experimented with that even in some of the older oil paintings, but in these first travels to europe was sketching with it quite a bit
- Art/Official
So it was already part of your mark-making language before the formal training — good to know the oil paintings carried it too. What does "Mokum" mean to you — is that something you picked up while you were there, or did you find it later?
- Artist
its the old jewish name of amsterdam
- Art/Official
That's a specific choice — using the old Jewish name for the city rather than Amsterdam. Was that a deliberate nod to the history of the place, or did it just feel like the right word for what you were drawing?
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- Artist
I think I felt like an insider when I learned that name and liked it, mayve not to do with the jewish part, even though that is a big history in amsterdam, but just to learn that there was another older name, and it was cool
- Art/Official
That insider feeling — arriving somewhere as a traveler and finding a name that locals use, not the one on the map. It gives the title a different weight than just "Amsterdam Street." Let's get the basics logged. You said around 1998 — is that your best estimate for when this was made?
- Artist
yes, possibly 1997
- Art/Official
I'll note circa 1997–1998 then. And the medium — pen on paper, from a small sketchbook, roughly postcard size. Do you have a rough sense of the dimensions, or should we measure it?
- Artist
like hand size, a typical small sketch book, maybe it was in europe when I bought it, so probably a6
- Art/Official
A6 is 105 × 148mm — that tracks with what you're describing. I'll work with that unless you measure it differently.
- Art/Official
At A6 — roughly 105 × 148mm — this would read as small on the site grid. Does that feel right, or would you want it to read slightly larger?
- Artist
should be small, even thinking of making an extra small size
- Art/Official
Noted — sm it is for now, and worth flagging if an xs tier gets added later.
- Art/Official
Looking at the image again — the architectural part of the drawing is fairly precise, but then the figures at the bottom feel like they're barely held together by a single continuous line. Was there a point in the drawing where you switched modes, or did the two registers coexist from the start?
- Artist
the whole drawing is a bit loose, look at the windows, I think it was all loose and then went back and made the perspective lines in the drawing darker to off set the loose drawing
- Art/Official
So the structure came after — you let the looseness happen first, then anchored it with those heavier perspective lines. That's a real decision, going back in rather than tightening from the start.
- Art/Official
These travel drawings — were they mainly for yourself, or did you ever think of them as work you'd show?
- Artist
Just for myself, I would show people the sketch book, but thats about it
- Art/Official
That tracks — sketchbook as a private thing you'd share in person, not as finished work. What made you want to bring it into the archive now?
- Artist
I think these drawinf will document the transition from that san francisco early stage until going to art school and the later series. this is when I first left the city and was travelling, so I don't have many paintings, except for small watercolor paintings, but for an archive I think they need to be there to show the transition hapening through these first travels abroad
- Art/Official
That's a clear reason — and an important one. The drawings and watercolours from this period become connective tissue between the San Francisco street work and everything that came out of the formal training. Without them the timeline has a gap right at the moment things were actually shifting.
- Art/Official
The one-line figure technique — when you got to Utrecht and then Rietveld, did that way of drawing survive contact with formal instruction, or did it get pushed out?
- Artist
was already gone I think, I really went to both of these school, especially the first one in utrecht, with the idea of being a blank slate and not coming in with preconvieved styles. less so for the rietveld, I was a bit older by that point
- Art/Official
So you deliberately let it go — arriving as a blank slate was the point, not just a side effect of the new environment. That's a conscious rejection, and an interesting one.
- Art/Official
Looking at it now, after all that — the Rietveld, the transfer paintings, the Megacities — does this drawing feel like it belongs to you, or does it feel like someone else made it?
- Artist
feels abit like someone else, but someone that I know well, and would like to see again someday
- Art/Official
That's a good way to put it. Familiar but distant — like finding a letter you wrote but don't quite remember sending. You described it at the start as "a little bit funky with some trippy characters and some of the one line work" — does that still feel like the right description, or does looking at it now shift anything?
- Artist
would say its more that feeling of freedom being in a new city and learning about its culture
- Art/Official
That freedom feeling — Amsterdam specifically, or could it have been any European city you landed in that trip?
- Artist
almost all of them, but I was particulaly drawn to amsterdam
- Art/Official
What was it about Amsterdam specifically that pulled you back?
- Artist
in a way its very simlilar to San Francisco, just without the hills. but a world know city with a long history of counter culture, but also small and like a village, they both only have around 800,000 people in the city
- Art/Official
That parallel is real — both port cities, both with that counterculture density packed into a relatively small population. And you were arriving from one and finding its European mirror.
- Art/Official
At this point in the late 90s — before Duchamp, before Rietveld — were there artists whose work you were paying attention to, or was it more just the city itself feeding the drawing?
- Artist
was really impressed with the cities themselves, but was also going to alot of museums at the time, while travelling, seeing the van gogh museum was great, but also going the the contemporary stedekijk museum and see even some more contemporary artist from holland that I'd never heard of like karel appel and the COBRA movement
- Art/Official
Karel Appel and COBRA — that's a direct hit. That same loose, almost aggressive mark-making, figures that are barely figures, colour and line pushing against each other. You can see why that would land when you're sitting on a canal bench drawing exactly that way.
- Art/Official
COBRA makes a lot of sense here — did that encounter change anything about how you were drawing, or did you see it and think "I've already been doing something like this"?
- Artist
was already doing this, so just more the feeling like, I'm in the right place
- Art/Official
Validation rather than influence — finding the tradition that your instincts had already found independently. That's a good thing to know about yourself at that age. Where does this drawing live now — still with you?
- Artist
very interesting, not what I would make now, but really want to sketch more in my life, so inspiring. Also captures a feeling that I don't have any more. I live in europe for years now, so the wonder and excitment is gone. still love it, but its different that whats expressed in that drawing
- Art/Official
That's the thing about early work — it holds a feeling that experience quietly replaces. The drawing does what memory can't quite do on its own. Where does it physically live now — do you still have it?
- Artist
at my parents house in San Francisco
- Art/Official
Good — still in the family, back where the travels started from.
- Art/Official
And availability — is this one not for sale, or are you open to it?
- Artist
not for sale
- Art/Official
Good — that's everything I need. Let me put together the confirmation draft.
- Art/Official
All staged. Open **Wrap up / confirm** in the sidebar — you'll see the staged fields and my draft descriptions there. Edit anything that doesn't sound right, then press **Commit** when you're happy. One note: the year is staged as circa 1997 — if you want to note it as 1997–98 you can adjust that in the panel before committing.
- Artist
don't forget the tags
- Art/Official
Right — let me pull those together from the image and what we've covered.
- Art/Official
All staged. The COBRA and Expressionism movement tags are inferred from conversation rather than a formal claim — you can pull those in the panel if they feel too strong for an early travel sketch. Everything else should be solid. Ready to commit when you are.
- Artist
dimensionUnit: This field has an invalid selection. can you put them in cm
- Art/Official
Good catch — A6 in cm is 10.5 × 14.8.
- Art/Official
Updated — 10.5 × 14.8 cm. Should be clean now.