This session contributed facts to the archive without a primary artwork.
Transcript
- Art/Official
Three orientation questions before the blind description: 1) Temporal distance — how far back does this one feel? 2) Series relationship — where does this sit within the OG Oil Paintings for you? 3) Physical location — do you know where this painting is right now?
- Artist
Pretty distant, was a long time ago and part of when I first started painting. Was part of the original oil painting series and part of the fisheye period. I don't know where it is anymore or who has it, last seen in 94 or so, so maybe gave it to somebody.
- Art/Official
Blind first description request.
- Artist
This is a painting of the view on a train when I took the Amtrak to LA from SF.
- Art/Official
Anything else that comes to mind — any particular part of the view, what the trip was about, how it felt to paint it?
- Artist
Was one of the first trips I took outside of San Francisco on my own, and used a super fisheye perspective to paint it.
- Art/Official
Vision analysis presented: fisheye-warped train car interior, rounded lens-like window shape, warm interior vs cool exterior landscape, centered aisle vantage. Questions: was the window shape a conscious choice or emergent from the fisheye rendering; does the interior/exterior contrast read as confinement vs freedom or was it purely observational.
- Artist
I think the painting wasn't painted on the train, so this was a painting I made from the sketch that I made on the train. Yeah, the fisheye was something I was working with in other painting and I guess I just noticed this angle on the train, looking forward and backwards. I think the outside and inside are more imagined than true to the scene.
- Art/Official
Follow-up: what got changed/embellished from the actual scene — landscape, window shape, interior, or all of it? Was the aisle vantage deliberately chosen for the fisheye symmetry, or just what was in front of you?
- Artist
I don't remember what it looked like, but I think I was more focused on the shape of the window, so just wanted to paint the other part to fit. And I think I just was on a long train ride and realized this fisheye scene.
- Art/Official
Question: did you have an actual fisheye lens/photos as reference, or working purely from skate video memory? Was the solo trip connected to why you started painting from it, or coincidental?
- Artist
No camera, just the skate video references. I don't think the trip was specific to the painting and would have found itself somewhere else.
- Art/Official
Self-assessment questions: honest assessment now, thirty-plus years out — accomplished, experiment, student work? Any sense of where the painting went?
- Artist
Not sure, I think the idea still holds up, don't have the paintings so don't know if the technique was good, maybe not so much, but definitely thought of it as a successful painting at the time. I think it still holds up, but would still think of it as an early experimental one.
- Art/Official
Pressed further on provenance guess, and asked: does this connect to other catalogued early oils (Space Time, Nature vs Nurture, The End) through fisheye logic or subject/mood? Anything else before formal close?
- Artist
I think I probably gave it to somebody. Yeah, I think it connects in the fisheye thing, but didn't have the idea behind it that the other ones, so more representational.
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- Art/Official
Formal re-ask for the record: how would you describe this painting now, in a few sentences?
- Artist
A successful early painting in the fisheye period